Hallow-freakin-ween...
Ahh it's Halloween today... Hooray!... I didn't get a costume this year, and I'm not really sure why, but I would like to comment on my least favorite of all halloween costumes... here goes:
Girl Who Just Wears Cat Ears: Oh wow, look at all that effort. Did that take you a whole eight seconds, honey? Look lady, there are people who took hours, HOURS getting ready. Throwing on a slutty skirt, black top, ears and calling yourself a “sexy cat” doesn’t cut it around here. We’re grownups now, so start acting like one and paint some ufcking whiskers on your acne-scarred cheeks.
Dude who dresses up like he plays a sport: dude, how did you ever get a hold of all those lacrosse pads? Oh, that’s right, you play lacrosse! D- for effort. Next year why don’t you try leaving your room to get a costume. It’s not like anyone even cares about the club Lacrosse team anyway; how many people were at your last game? And no, your parents don't count.
Guy who wears just a mask: Ok, you’re halfway to not being a dickhead -- but only halfway. Wearing your normal clothes and putting on a wrestling mask doesn’t count as wearing a costume, you waste of human skin. Maybe if you had put on shorts and some boots I’d buy this costume, but somehow I just can’t picture a famous wrestler strutting around the ring in jeans and a plaid shirt, looking like he just dropped out of high school...God, you're white trash.
Guy in Drag: Look at you; your parents must be proud. What’s bad about this costume isn’t the subject matter – drag is a fantastic idea for Halloween and your day-to-day life – it’s the lack of effort. If you want to be a woman, be a woman, asshole: put on makeup, get a dress that fits and match those motherfuckin’ shoes. Putting on an ill-fitting dress and painting your nails with sharpie you isn’t a costume, it’s a cry for help.
Random Costume guy: Look at this. He went in his closet and grabbed every piece of ugly clothing he had, and some cardboard. If you ask him what he is, he’ll say “an eccentric” or “I dunno.” The real answer to that question however is “a failure…a miserable failure.”
here are some of the meanings of some of the stuff you might want to dress up as
Well everyone, have a happy halloween...
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6 posts in a row...
How were your Halloween Parties? Discuss...
... n' yeah... it's almost 2:00 am again.
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I'm from Chino and PROUD OF IT!
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norm
toooo what...
Is 4:00 too early to be up... or is it tooo late to be up?
norm
Chino's the 'ish...
Props has to go out to Geoff Blum today. Yesterday he hit the game winning homerun in the World Series. He hit a homerun in his first ever at bat in the World Series.
Geff a really good guy, and from the 909, and he's from CHINO. I went to high school with him at Chino High. I believe that he graduated in '92.
Not only that but his dad Bill coached my brother in Little League, and his brother Greg was the catcher on the team. Wow those were some good Dodger teams that my bro played on.
CowTown representin...
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Drunkin' Cow...
Wow... what got into me yesterday?
What are you guys gonna be for Halloween? Me, Grey, and The B.O.B. had the perfect costume idea, but it fell through. Maybe next year I can be Booger.
Since that fell through, and I was Bad Santa last year... I didn't know what to be... so I searched deep inside myself... well not really that deep I just looked on top of my tv and saw a little cow toy and thought that would be a good idea.
The Cow outfit that I got was a bit small for me, but hey it's "One Size Fits Most"... and I will say that I'm a little bit big for this one. I'll have to take it over to my Mom's tonight and have her make some adjustments to it.
I'll also need to go get some horns for my head... cows have horns right?
Lastly I'll need some black and white face paint, and a set of gloves
Then all I'll need is a beer and it will be game on... Drunkin' Cow
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I'm Rick James...
Is it cool to talk about how cool you are... and how you hang out with all kinds of famous and important people? If there is one bad thing about having a blog it's listening to all these people ramble on about all kinds of shit. Some people talk about technology, some talk about there lives, some talk about there pets.. n' others just love to talk about themselves, and how they think that they are the shit. I'm guessing that the reason people do this is for self-satisfaction... I guess that they feel better about themselves by trying to justify that they are better than some "other people". In the past few years I've met A LOT of different people. There are good people and bad people everywhere. Just because you live in your parents basement, rise cows, or are a City Council Member... it doesn't automatically better than the Average Joe. You can call me Norm and I'll have a beer with you at the Corner Bar, fly with you to Sacramento to meet the Governor, work at the local Youth Holiday Parade, play some nickel, dime, quarter texas hold 'em, or fly down to Mexico City and party for New Years... no mater what I do... I'm still just Norm.
-- This is useful... especially in Chino (we have 3 prisons)... inmates take pictures in prison n' they photoshop you in an exotic location... as the Guinness guy would say... BRILLIANT!!!
-- Soccer wives are f'n hot... I should have played soccer?
-- Anyone want to learn how to perform strong man stunts... ah... I see The B.O.B. raising his hand... but I can already tell you that it won't make you any taller... just stronger-- So, you wanna be a beer vendor...
-- I know that The B.O.B. needs them... so here are some PhotoShop tips
-- There are soooooooo many people out there that can't find 'ish on the net... if you know what you are doing you can find just about anything using Google... except for Brittany's Bachelorette Party
-- Biershooter
-- Looks like the NBA is not liking the way the gangsta's are dressing on and off the court
-- Brit-Brit is gonna be the next contestant on... "They Found a Scandiolous Tape Of Us"
-- I told you kermit likes to party... here he is visiting New York
ESPN.com's Bill Simmons on Boston's World Series trophy, which he recently got a chance to pick up:
"After touring all over the country and hitting every town in Massachusetts, it's covered in fingerprint residue, and some of the flags are bent... basically, it's the Tara Reid of trophies."
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wtf...
What am I to think when two of my best friends are doing this on Friday...
- One is going to some pop concert... Pink and Sysco I think...
- and the other is stuck to the computer monitor keeping updated on his footabll getting there asses handed to them... again
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clarifications...
first off let me say, I dont exactly hate PETA, but I surely dont agree with them... humans are not the only animals to eat other animals, but I do think we do it in a more "humane" way then say, a lion or a tiger...
all that being said, if
you would like to know some good reasons not to get behind the whole PETA cause,
Penn & Teller did a good lil report on peta, and you can find it
here Commitment - many people who know me, know very well that I dont want to get married, there are a number of women who when they hear me say this for the first time, they ask or imply, or accuse me of being "afraid of commitment"... I would like to clear this up... commitment is a dynamic term, that changes meaning from person to person, situation to situation, and from day to day...
for example, lets say the girl you are with, who you love very much and wish to spend the rest of your life with, asks you if you would like to be committed... thats a good type of commitement... right ?
now, same question, but now it comes from the head doctor at a psych ward... bad commitment... no ?
in either case, I am not afraid of commitment, I just dont think it is well defined... moreover, I am not afraid of a long lasting loving relationship, I actually desire that... it is the term commitment that I have a problem with... tell people what you really want, in simple, static terms, and you are more likely to receive it.
dishonesty - many people equate being secretive, with being dishonest... these ARE NOT the same thing... I could write for pages and pages, and pages about this, but I will stop there...
FOX - FOX ( one of the greatest TV sations of all time ) is about two years away from being a softcore pr0n channel... and I LOVE IT... I dont want them to switch over to softcore pr0n in this world of super duper conservativeness where Janet Jacksons nipple causes all hell to break loose, I want it to stay just the way it is... raunchy shows, and unrealiable news coverage...
Voting - I hate it when people say, "if you dont vote, then you have no right to complain about the government"... lets think about how ass-backwards that is for a moment... with that logic, no other country has the right to complain about our government, or our goverments policies... Blacks wouldn't have ever had the right to complain about the fact that they couldn't vote back in the day, and women either... The fact of the matter is, if you do vote, you have no right to complain about the government... I mean, you knew the rules when you went into the voting booth, you played by them, and then when things dont work out to your satisfaction, you are gonna bitch and whine about it... that is basically a poor sport... NOT a responsible voter...
Racism Vs. Prejudice - HELLO people... these are not the same thing... I am prejudice, you are prejudice, we all are prejudice, and it's not always a bad thing... for example: I dont like people who beat dogs for entertainment purposes, I dont need to know you, I just need to know you beat dogs for entertainment, and I think you are a bad person, that is me "prejudging" you, you dog beating bastard, racism, is not liking someone based on their ethnicity... Racism, always incorperates prejudice, but prejudice, does not alway incorperate racism...
Prolife / Prochoice - DAMNIT! everyone I know, and have ever met are both prolife, AND prochoice... it is their feeling about abortions that differ... prolifers dont want to take away your right to choose, just like prochoices dont want to take away your right to live... lets call things what they are people... anti/pro abortion...
The internet - to the united nations: Listen punks, we invented it, we run it, we own it, we're not giving it up, get over it... if you dont like it, you guys create something better, add lots of pr0n, and free music downloads, and call it the outternet... as for the internet, get off our nuts already...
~grey
a bunch of random ishh...
First off, lemme send out a late happy birthday to Linda, who was kind enough to invite me to her party this last weekend... the night was fun as hell, we got a stretch hummer limo, ate a great dinner, had lots of drinks, and then went to club vegas, where we saw 3 more CHS grads from CO '97... from left to right we have: Zack, Jason, Grant, myself, Smit a.k.a. "Mr. Nice guy", and the two lovely ladies in front are Linda, and Tiana...
neato fact: Tiana was a laker girl... but Zack still thinks he is prettier...
anyways, Linda thanks for the invite I had a great time... and your husband, Peter, is the freakin dumb dance KING!!! I bow to his greatness
Okay... time to send in the clowns...
A chimp in china has quit smoking
quote from the article says: "she had taken up smoking in 1989 shortly after her mate died"
WRONG WTF?!? - she took up smoking when somebody gave her some cigarettes...
Professor to testify against evolution..
sometimes it is just hard to beleive I live in this country, even france is laughing at us for this one...
why not?, a short history of the pledge of allegiance
Snow white and the 7 dwarves now to be snow white and the 7 verticaly challenged people
politically correct stuff ruins everything!
this is a cool bathroom
PETA workers charged with animal cruelty
BWAAHAHAHHAAAHAAA.... ( grey eats a steak )
the sad caveman
HA! mom and dad, and my 6th grade teacher, I told you smoking pot would....... oh hey, doritos!
fun with magazines
Wing man information / tips
and now to clear up some "disscusions I had this weekend"...
Zack - Hydrogen is more explosive than gasoline
Andrea - FOX news is biased / liars, and # 2, ahh screw it, here's the whole google search
That being said, I absolutely LOVE FOX news, and this topic almost made me kill lindas brother in law... so lets just let it go
Irene - California has a big divorce rate
I seriously, seriously, seriously dont even know why people bother disputing what I am saying... I'm DAMN NEAR ALWAYS right!!! geez people... I should be nominated for the supreme court... kudos to Smit for just realizing this, and never arguing with me...
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yom kippur
Okay so I missed this by a day or two, but Yom Kippur was this last week... and in honor of all the nice Jewish people I know ( thats you Ryan )I wanted to debunk some classic jewish stereotypes...
so here goes...
The Jews don't control which callers win all radio contests.
There are not more Jews per capita in Hollywood than there are in Israel.
To get more members, Jews did not try to popularize the phrase "Jews or Lose."
Jews have enormous penises, but promote circumcisions so as to not offend gentiles.
Jewish people are filled with crunchy peanuts, smooth caramel, and creamy nougat.
and perhaps the biggest stereotype...
Despite their name, Juji Fruits are not kosher.
HAPPY Yom KIPPUR ( two days late )
I hate work...
"If I had my way, I'd never work. I'd just stay home all day, watch Scarface 50 times, eat a turkey sandwich, and have sex all f***ing day. Then I'd dress up like a clown and surprise kids at schools…Then I'd paint, and read, and play violin. I'd climb the mountains, and sing the songs that I like to sing. But I don't got that kinda time."
—Dave Chappelle as P. Diddy on "Chappelle’s Show"
Columbus Day....
Ah Columbus day... Man one day I hope to be like this guy... When you are growing up, you hear allot of crap about Christopher Columbus that is just a straight out lie, but you dont find that out till later, kinda like the schools wiked little trick to make you question everything you learn in highschool history... so lemme break down the story of old Chris here...
The story of Christopher Columbus, as told by Matthew FathereeBack in the day, year 1492 to be exact, this dude named Christopher Columbus was looking for a way to get to India, because he needed to out source some computer software for cheap... he also wanted some salt and pepper and one of those head wrap things, cause his hat was going way out of style. He went to the king of some lil western European country, and was like,
"I'm gonna sail west to get to India",
because his only other choice was to go around africa, and even back then, white people didn't like to get too close to black neighborhoods. The king basically laughed him out of the court, so he went to the king of Spain... Now the king and queen of spain were pretty kick back, and yer boy Chris told them the same issh about sailing west to get to India, and they were like...
"dawg! yer gonna fall of the edge of the earth my man"Columbus told them
"the world was not flat it was round, and puff puff pass, dont bogart that J..."and the king and queen were all like
"oh yeah!, we forgot about that, DAMN!!! this is some good weed"so the king and queen gave Columbus 3 ships, the Nina, the Pinta, and the S.S. Labamba mobile...
and off he sailed with a crew of men, to find a westward passage to India, so all the white people wouldn't have to risk getting ship jacked, and getting their nikes took, going by Africa...
After months and months and months of sailing, Columbus was like:
"Man ufck this... I'm sick of sailing, and we aint really gonna find India anyway, lets land over there next to cuba, pick up some rum, and cigars, then go back to spain and tell everyone we discovered a new world" His crew was all like:
"sounds like a plan homie"so they landed the boats, and when they went to these lil islands, but there were already people there... Christopher Columbus was like..
"damn it!, these red skin bastards are gonna screw up everything",
and his crew was thinking,
"where all the white women at?",
but he talked to the natives for a lil while and he told them that if any other white people asked, they should tell them they are indians... the Native Americans were all like...
"to hell with that cracker, we aint putting lil red dots on our heads, what do you think this is, an N.W.A. video ???!!!"so Columbus talked them a lil more, and they decided to wear feathers, instead of that whole red dot crap...
So after all that, Columbus and his crew went back to Spain, and they told the king and queen:
"Yo!, you aint never gonna beleive where we been, we went to India dawg!!, 'cept we found these crazy new indians, with gold and shit"and the king was all like:
"well if you went to india, where the hell is my salt and peper, and my silk Lakers jersey ?!?!"and Columbus was like
"chill dawg, the swap meet was closed when we rolled into town, but they are about to open a new wallmart, so I will go back, and I gots the hookup... and even though this is India, if you give me a flag, I will go back, and claim a part of India for Spain..."Columbus really didn't like
the first flag they gave him, so then he asked for the flag of spain, and him and his crew went back two more times to party in the caribean... but the king never got his silk lakers jersey... but the king got the last laugh cause they named a city in Ohio after him, and who in their right mind goes to Ohio???
But Columbus did manage to write some books while he was sailing, about how this lief Ericson dude, and Amerigo Vespucci were a bunch of punk ass b!tches, and he taught them everything they knew, so he should get a holiday for discovering America, and not them... The Kansas board of education got their hands on these manuscripts, and Thus Columbus day was born...
the end...
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there may be flaws in that story, but it is just about as accurate as what we were taught in school, and then later taught was all lies... damn I hate the school system... but one day I hope I do something like put on a band aide, and then I get a holiday for curring cancer... that would be just about the same as Columbus getting his own holiday....
~grey
Big Norm on Campus...
BIG f'n man on campus... it's got to be the 'ish to be Matt Leinart right now. If I could change places with one person for a day it would be Heff, but Leinart is probably gonna be a good second choice..
"DO NOT TURN AROUND!"... unless of course you're drunk with a stolen sheep in the back of your truck
-- My boys over at BitTorrent get an additional $8.75 million in funding... cool more movies for norm
-- Card Trix - How to do the one handed card shuffle... and video
-- Hacking: Art or Science?
-- IT: Tech Geezers vs. Tech Youngsters
-- $100 laptop... nerds over at MIT are developing it
-- I think that I found out what I want for Christmas... it's one of a kind
-- Quotes from my favorite tv show... Family Guy Quotes
-- Hollywoods best fraternity houses... I could see me and Grey in Delta House... they could have been soooo money if they would have had another drunk and a small eared Puerto Rican
-- Grey likes magic... well I think that I wanna learn how to hypnotize people... so I can make people make love to there chairs
-- What do you do when you are a 38 year old MILF who is married to a CEO of a Fortune 500 company... become a cheerleader
... oh yeah... and I haven't even started with The B.O.B.... just you wait and see
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For once
Ok if you don't know by now Norm and Grey have a little more time on there hands then me. But today for once I have nothing to do so I figured I will post instead of bosing around all the people under me, which is only three but hey at least I ain't at the bottom.
Yes, Yes, Yes, Hockey is back tonight. GO KINGS GO!!!!!!I know sometimes you wonder what would Norm look like in a
diaper well here you go!For those who don't know already I am not going to drink for a while. I would say I quit but I am not a quitter nor will I say I won't drink again it is just right now and for a while I will not drink. So Norm and Grey will not get DUI because they got a designated B.O.B.
So has anybody watch the
Norm movie. I heard it is really funny.
I found were I will find my
next wife. I put down the less the English the better it is. Thank god Norm or Grey don't want to be married but if they come to a Christmas party with a Thai wife remember this post.
That is it for now they want me to work but I will hit up again. My next subject is what is better.
THE B.O.B
setting things straight
time to set a few things straight:
First things first...
if me and the Bob, or me and Norm ,ever got into a fight, there would be two hits... I would hit them, and they would hit the ground... thats it... I know they got a few pounds on me, but lets all remember, it's not the size of the dog in the fight, it's the size of the bat I would use to beat them...
and lets assume for a moment by some wicked twist of fate they actually could physically beat me up... it is a well known fact that I dont play fair, and you could bet I would take my time, and get them back slowly, and painfully... so this whole conversation is just dumb...
"ten against one is an unfair fight, but if one is grey mattr, it's just about right"secondly: I would go sky diving in a second, but I dont wanna have some instructor strapped to my back...
thirdly : our president has HUGE, BIG shiney balls...
he nominated someone for the supreme court who has never been a judge, and she was the same lady who wrote the
memo about Bin Laden, DAMN I wish I had Karl Rove, and Dick Cheney on my team... those guys are geniuses, and the president is endlessly amusing...
next:
not all ferraris will get you laidmoving on:
sex is necessary, unless you are my dating my little sister in which case it is almost certain to leave you with a stab wound in your upper thigh..
okay... thats enough stuff for today...
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Would you do it
Ok Ok Ok I never really post anymore, but I felt since Norm and Grey have been such great friends to THE B.O.B I would post something to there liking. So today's post will be about the three of us, and if we would do something or not do something.
Would you get married?The B.O.B: Well since I am already married I guess this is a yes, but if you were to ask if your marriage does not work out would you get married again I would politely slap the hell out of the person and say no. I just feel marriage is a one time thing, and why do it twice with the chance of starting over again. You know that over 50% of marriages don't last, and if that was the same odds on sky diving would you still do it, let alone do it twice. As the great white hater Kanye West says "When they leave they take half"
Norm: Ok Norm preaches he will never get married but I feel otherwise. We give Grey a whole bunch of crap that he is the next ONE, but Norm has the higher probability. Simply for the reason if there is a hot Asian in pigtails, that speaks limited English, and has some bolt-ons… I think Norm would be down the aisle faster than you can say Las Vegas.
Grey: NO NO NO NO. Yes Grey will be single his whole life sorry mom's. But he will have a child as soon as he can develop a program that develops a child without having a mother involved.
Would you go sky diving?The B.O.B: This is an easy Hell NO for me. I am scared of heights like 9000, so yeah I am cool on this.
Norm: I think Norm would do it for two reasons. 1. His wife tells him to do it see above. 2. When Norm is at the point of severe intoxication I feel he is capable of doing whatever everybody else is doing.
Grey: This is a very hard one. I know Grey takes his life very seriously, so I would lean towards the No. I also think if there was a certain circumstance of him doing it, then he would do it. Example: If there were three women famous, or infamous women of his choice telling him to do it, and he would be able to do whatever he wanted to them if he would sky dive… then he would pound a couple of Heinekens, and do it for what he loves the most HIMSELF!!!
Would you step in the octagon with Chuck Liddell?The B.O.B: I know Norm and Grey are going to call bullshit on this one, but I feel for the right amount of money I pretty much would do anything, including this. Give me a $100,000, and I would gladly get knock out by Chuck. I know I would not win, or even land a punch, but I would get that money for the kids. THE B.O.B. LOVES THE KIDS!
Norm: I have had this discussion many of times with Norm, and I feel he would not do it even for money. He has seen toooooo many MMA fights, and knows there could be serious damage done to him if he goes in there.
Grey: Come on do I even have to answer this?
So there you have it, some Would We Do It from The B.O.B. I have told Norm and Grey my post are horrible compared to there’s, but like I said I have to start contributing sometime, I guess I can start now.
I can't leave without some sports.
Firing Tracy FU%#$ Depodesta Way to blame a guy for your wrong doing.
Dolphins are the issh number 1 for now.Kings Hockey about to start this weekend GO KINGS GO!!!!!!!By the way the Denver Broncos Suck my NIZZZUTS.
Hopefully that will make Spooney Post for once this year.
THE B.O.B
KILLER vs. NIBBLES...
First of all to understand what happened to killer, you gotta understand who killer the dog was. Now killer was born to a three-legged bitch of a mother. He was always ashamed of this, man. And then right after that he's adopted by this man, Tito Liebowitz he's a small time gun runner and a rotweiler fight promoter. So he puts killer into training. They see killer's good. He is damn good. But then he had the fight of his life. They pit him against his brother nibbles. And killer said "no man that's my brother, I can't fight nibbles" but they made him fight anyway, and killer, he killed nibbles. Killer said "that's it!" he called off all his fights, and he started doing crack, and he freaked out. Then in a rage, he collapsed, and his heart no longer beat. wow.I gotta start today's post off with a question? If I had to fight my brother, or even better yet my friends... who would win? First we can start off with all of my buddies that do jiu-jitsu n' also cage fight. These guys woop my ass when we are rolling lightly... I've been to many of there fights and I know that they could all woop my ass. So these guys don't even count... but what about my other friends... the ones that I hang out with the most...
C-Rad: He's pretty skinny, but he's like a chimpanzee... he is all hairy, and has the strength of 10 men. One good thing that I've got going for me in this is the fact that he smokes a lot n' he doesn't really skate to much anymore, so I'm bettin' that his cardio isn't as good as it once was. He's prolly a little bit buzzed or hung over so his head might not be straight. Hopefully I can take him to the ground put in some good shots... a little ground n' pound. Then hopefully I could find a closet or some handcuffs cause I know that he's gonna get back up, and I'd have to tie him up to a broomstick and shove him in the extra room.
The B.O.B.: He's got a lil bit of thug in him. I know that he would be the one that I'd have to worry about catching a cheap shot, or have like three big ol dudes come out of the bushes n' bash me over the head with King Cobra bottles. He did wrestle in high school, but I think that I'm just tooo big for him, and it wouldn't be effective. I always know in the back of my head that he's got a bad shoulder... all I gotta do is get close enough to get a hold of his arm, and.... Kaah-plow... I'd get him in the Kimura and tear his arm off.
Grey Matter: He may look like the weakest of the bunch, but looks may be deceiving. I know that he played soccer (I know, I know it's not a sport...you can't use your hands, but he prolly did have to run around a bit, so he's got or had some cardio)... so I'd defiantly stay away from his deadly soccer kicks. Other than that... I don't think that there is anything physically intimidating about him... is it the small ears, earring, large wallet, flower shirt... nope none of them... I know that he'd never hit me with the Heineken in his hand cause every drop of that beer is like gold to him. What I'd really have to worry about is when he starts to taunt you with the crazy English soccer announcer voice... man that is annoying... n' then he'd talk about how he could mess up yer credit, and hack into you email account and send out f'd up emails to your Mom and Sister... he would just totally just confuse the crap outta me and we'd go grab a beer... or I'd do a flying triangle on him and knock him unconscious... either way... I'm gettin' a beer.
Everyone Else: Aww who cares... I'm the big guy and hopefully nobody messes with me. I've never been in a fist fight in my entire life and I tend to keep it that way. I'm a drinker not a fighter!!
... maybe I'll post again later tonight n' tell you what I actually did this week other than a drunkin' bar discussion
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norm
special election ( we ride the small bus )
This whole special election thing has got me losing my faith in politics in america... oh well, I guess when you dont have much faith in general, I guess it really doesn't matter much if you lose the small amount of faith you have... I have pretty established views about most of the things that are on the ballot for this special election, but none that I feel as strongly about as prop 74.
although
I have already written stuff that goes into detail about why I disagree with the current system of employing techers and the school system in general, there is something else I feel the need to comment on ( WARNING: lots of text, not allot of pic. or links )
Stef brought
this to my attention. Basically it is all the arguments from the CTA ( California Teachers Association ) against prop. 74... I once again will rebuff their arguments...
DISCLAIMER: I think being a teacher is a very hard job, and I have a tremendous amount of respect for people who go into that feild.
I will make this simple, just a blow by blow article with as little of my personal opinions injected as I can.
POINT 1.
CTA says: PROPOSITION 74 IS DECEPTIVE, UNNECESSARY AND UNFAIR. It won't improve student achievement and it won't help reform public education in any meaningful way. Furthermore, it will cost school districts tens of millions of dollars to implement.In reality: if you think prop 74 is deceptive, read it. It is clearly needed, and I dont know who could possibly think this is unfair. After all, if my boss wants to fire me, I dont have the right to a hearing, and 99% of all work forces are the same. Perhaps the CTA has a different definition of the word fair than the one in the dictionary, how ironic... And while only time will tell if it will improve education in a meaningful way, studies have been done to show that the
fiscal impact is unknown, and I can not see how it could be more financialy irresposible than the current system.
Each "hearing" costs about $60,000 without an appeals, if their are appeals the costs skyrocket.
How expensive is it? A 1994 study by the New York State School Boards Association found that dismissing a tenured teacher in that state takes an average of 455 days and costs $177,000. If the teacher appeals, costs can approach twice that amount.CTA says: Proposition 74 doesn't reduce class size or provide new textbooks, computers or other urgently needed learning materials. It doesn't improve teacher training or campus safety. Nor does it increase educational funding or fix one leaking school roof.In reality: This
might be true, but the money spent on dismissal hearings could be used for these things... Besides when was the last time the Teachers union tried getting something on the ballot to mandate fixing these problems ???
CTA says: PROPOSITION 74 IS DECEPTIVE BECAUSE IT MISLEADS PEOPLE ABOUT HOW TEACHER EMPLOYMENT REALLY WORKS. California teachers are not guaranteed a job for life, which means they don't have tenure. All teachers receive after a two year probationary period is the right to a hearing before they are dismissed. The reality: Even on the CTA web site they describe the time after the two year probation period as
"Permanent Status", if you dont want to call it "tenure" which is the commonly accepted term, and well agreed apon the world over, that is fine with me... I still say no to tenure, and/or "Permanent status" for employment.
The CTA says: PROPOSITION 74 IS UNFAIR TO TEACHERS BECAUSE IT TAKES AWAY THEIR RIGHT TO A HEARING BEFORE THEY ARE FIRED. We give criminals the right to due process, and our teachers deserve those fundamental rights, as well.The Reality: getting fired from your job, and getting locked away in prison are hardly parrallels. no one has the right to be employed just like we have the right to be "free". No one has the "right" to be employed, that is a privelege ( by definition ) afforded to those who would work for it. but if you want to draw comparisons between the average teacher, and the average criminal, who am I to stop you ???
The CTA says: THIS UNNECESSARY ANTI-TEACHER INITIATIVE WAS PUT ON THE BALLOT FOR ONLY ONE REASON - to punish teachers for speaking out against the governor's poor record on education and criticizing him for breaking his promise to fully fund our schools.The Reality: While I agree the governator has a bad record when it comes to the education system, I also know that he did not break a promiss, as much as the teachers signed up for an unfair deal... The reality is, the teachers agreed to give up the 3 Billion dollars, and get paid back when there was an abundance of funds, there was no timeline set for that... He has only been governor for a few years, and our school system has been flawed for decades, I think it would be wiser for school systems to look at their inherient problems rather than says Arnold is the casue of all of them.
the facts of the matter are these:
This proposition could not hurt any good teachers.
This proposition could only help our students.
This proposition is not fair, but is clearly more fair than our current system.
this proposition will save a enormous amount of money spent on uneeded hearings for flagrantly bad teachers.
VOTE YES on Prop 74... ( or just dont vote )...
~grey
